St. Charbel says Mary saves…

A Maronite card calling people to worship Mary in order to be saved more "easily"

A Maronite card calling people to worship Mary in order to be saved more "easily"

Literal translation of what is written on this card (in the Lebanese dialect and in Arabic):

“If you want to be saved easily, worship the Virgin Mary

she is mighty to save whoever worships her”.

— Words of Saint Charbel

The first hundredth jubilee

of the death of Saint Charbel

1898-1998

The Maronites are eastern Roman Catholics. St. Charbel can be considered the most important Maronite “Saint” after St. Maroun, and in the heart and practice of many Maronites he is even more important than St. Maroun.

Concerning the canonization of Charbel, I quote from wikipedia:

“In 1954, Pope Pius XII signed a decree accepting a proposal for the beatification of Charbel Makhlouf, the hermit. On December 5, 1965, Pope Paul VI officiated at the ceremony of the beatification of Father Sharbel during the closing of the Second Vatican Council. In 1976, Pope Paul VI signed a decree of canonization of Blessed Charbel. That canonization took place in the Vatican on October 9, 1977.”

The canonization of St. Charbel by the Roman Catholic Pope means that, according to the Roman Catholic “Church”, St. Charbel had an exemplary life in doctrine and in practice. In the light of this, the above statement that is attributed to St. Charbel is very important and dangerous! Whenever a Roman Catholic is faced with some clear examples of worship having as object the Virgin Mary, his typical answer is: “We don’t worship Mary! We venerate and honor her only!” Well, St. Charbel calls people to worship her… And whenever we bring clear passages from the Scripture that teach us that Salvation is by Christ alone and that there is Salvation in no one else (cf. passages like John 14:6, Acts 4:12, 1 Timothy 2:5, 1 John 2:1-2, etc…), the typical answer of the Roman Catholic is that the Roman Catholic “Church” does not teach that Mary can save anyone, and that those bad “Protestants” are trying to defame the otherwise “clean” reputation of the “Catholic Church” (as he calls it)… Well, St. Charbel says that Mary is mighty to save all those who worship her… Besides this, according to Charbel Mary is able to save her worshipers more “easily”, as if the Salvation of Jesus Christ is a big burden, and as if there are some hard and easy ways of Salvation, and man can choose any optional way according to his taste…

Now, this card is distributed in all Maronite bookshops that have the approval of the Maronite religious authorities. Therefore, the Roman Catholics are called to choose from the following options or possibilities:

– St. Charbel is not a Saint. If this is the case, then they should explain to us why the Pope made the error of canonizing him as Saint, having in mind that one of the Roman Catholic heretical teachings is that the Pope is infallible in such cases…

– St. Charbel is a Saint, but he never said the above statement. If this is the case, then we call the Roman Catholic and Maronite authorities to explain to us why they still give permission to distribute this card, especially in their own bookshops and worship places.

– To admit that the Roman Catholic heresy in fact teaches them to worship Mary and to rely on her for the Salvation of their souls instead of Jesus Christ alone, and that they were previously trying to avoid admitting this. Thus, they should repent and receive the Lord Jesus Christ as their ONLY Lord and Savior and begin to worship God alone as Jesus Himself said: “For it is written, ‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND SERVE HIM ONLY.'” (Matthew 4:10)

Of course, we don’t expect an honest answer from a self-righteous hypocrite, but we do expect such an answer from those who are honest and really want to do God’s Will.

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Grace be with you!
Disciple of Jesus Christ

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18 Responses to St. Charbel says Mary saves…

  1. Charbel says:

    I am actually shocked to see such false propaganda been spread.

    for starters the phrase has been in correctly translated from Lebanese to english. Saint Charbel is not asking people to worship Mary at all. There is big difference between the Lebanese term and the arabic term.

    The Lebanese term is used to indicate dedication of prayers to any Saint and not just St Mary. For example you will hear of people (yt3abado to Mar Charbel or St Elias or St Maroun or etc…) which according to your false translation those people are worshipping St charbel, or Elias or Maroun etc…

    Based on the above I therefore would like to ask you to correct your translation, and in light of the new translation retract your article.

    Regards

    Charbel

  2. Dear Charbel,

    The Lebanese dialect is an Arabic dialect, and the word “ta3abbada” means “to be dedicated to someone in worship or service”. Maybe you don’t know it, but the English word also means “to give religious honor or reverence to someone”, just like that Arabic verb.

    And it is interesting that you admit that St. Charbel asks people to pray to Mary and Saints, which of course is worship. Prayer is worship, because it assumes that the one to whom we’re praying is Omnipresent and Omniscient in order to hear and to answer our prayers. The Bible clearly says that only God is Omniscient and Omnipresent, and that He alone hears prayers. So this article is right when it says that St. Charbel encourages people to worship Mary.

    Besides all this, — and the most important part that you avoided, — is that St. Charbel tells people that they will be saved more easily if they serve and worship Mary… Did he not know that the Bible says that there is Salvation in no one else but Jesus Christ?…

    Thank you for your comments.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  3. Charbel says:

    Small correction:
    Lebanese language is not a Arabic dialect, It is rather more accurate to say that Arabic is a dialect of Syriac/Aramiac which is what Lebanese language is based upon and is its root. Therefore attempting to rephrase Lebanese language terms in Arabic is actually invalid and may result in wrong translation. Translating from Lebanese to English bypassing arabic, is better, in order to achieve ultimate meaning of a translated word.

    It is rather alarming to see someone making such claims, yet makes no reference to the word intercede, and deliberately uses the worship word in an attempt to spread false propaganda.

    Saint Charbel is saint whether you like it or not. In Orthodox christianity it is poeple who declare a person a saint, Millions of People worldwide have been touched one way or another by the miracles of St Charbel. People called him saint before the pope declared him so.

    I personally happen to have been blessed by 2 miracles of St Charbel.

    I shall pray for Saint Charbel to intercede on your behalf so you may see the light.

    By the way an extra piece of information for you:

    Christians in the east live among Muslims. Muslims pray to God and God only. Anyone who does not believe in God or worships more than one God is regarded as infidel and ought to be killed.
    Now we have lived among muslims for 1400 years. We were massacred and killed for many many different reasons and execuses, however none claimed that it is becuase we worship more than one God. If it ever happened it was ever limited to the Trinity.

    So do you not think that if what you claim is true, muslims would have used that as a good execuse to exterminate what is left of us centuries ago?

    So please stop your false propaganda and deliberate manipulation of words to show something that is not.

    Shlomo lokh.

  4. Small correction:
    Lebanese language is not a Arabic dialect, It is rather more accurate to say that Arabic is a dialect of Syriac/Aramiac which is what Lebanese language is based upon and is its root.

    No, both Arabic and Aramaic are Semitic languages (and not dialects), and the Lebanese language is an Arabic dialect, while the Syriac is an Aramaic dialect. Read carefully about the Lebanese dialect here.

    Therefore attempting to rephrase Lebanese language terms in Arabic is actually invalid and may result in wrong translation. Translating from Lebanese to English bypassing arabic, is better, in order to achieve ultimate meaning of a translated word.

    We have seen how that word means worship. You’re embarrassing yourself.

    It is rather alarming to see someone making such claims, yet makes no reference to the word intercede, and deliberately uses the worship word in an attempt to spread false propaganda.

    St. Charbel didn’t say “intercede”, but said “worship” and said “save”.

    Saint Charbel is saint whether you like it or not. In Orthodox christianity it is poeple who declare a person a saint, Millions of People worldwide have been touched one way or another by the miracles of St Charbel. People called him saint before the pope declared him so.

    I know that St. Charbel is a saint for you, whether God also likes it or not. But at the end, only God is right, and His Word is the Bible. You will stand before Him for judgment, and He will not stand before you for judgment.

    I personally happen to have been blessed by 2 miracles of St Charbel.

    No, St. Charbel has not done any miracles with you. Prove me wrong.

    I shall pray for Saint Charbel to intercede on your behalf so you may see the light.

    Thanks, but St. Charbel is dead. Christ intercedes for me.

    By the way an extra piece of information for you:

    Christians in the east live among Muslims. Muslims pray to God and God only. Anyone who does not believe in God or worships more than one God is regarded as infidel and ought to be killed.
    Now we have lived among muslims for 1400 years. We were massacred and killed for many many different reasons and execuses, however none claimed that it is becuase we worship more than one God. If it ever happened it was ever limited to the Trinity.

    Muslims are not our reference as they are yours (as it seems). The Word of God is our reference.

    So do you not think that if what you claim is true, muslims would have used that as a good execuse to exterminate what is left of us centuries ago?

    No, because Muslims are not the reference, but the Bible is. (Of course, you still have to prove that Muslims do not worship humans like you do, especially when we have this proof).

    So please stop your false propaganda and deliberate manipulation of words to show something that is not.

    Thanks for sharing your personal opinions. We have seen what St. Charbel said, and we have seen what the Bible says about that.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  5. Charbel says:

    I should have updated those wiki pages a long time ago.

    Lebanese is a language and not an Arabic dialect. Arabic is a dialect of Aramaic. We do not speak arabic at all. So stop making false claims again. I seriously do urge to Learn Syriac so you may see the truth.
    Our Lebanese language is using Syriac grammer, phrases and words.

    You can not literary translate from Lebanese to English by going to Arabic as the root, Arabic is not the root

    Go and read up on all the work that has been done on this topic over the last 150 years. (Study May Mur and Said Akl work as well).

    And if you insist then translate the following: “Nafad BRishou” into English.

    I think you are the one embarrassing yourself here.

    Like I said in my comment to you other article you are a hypocrite.

    I brought muslims into the mix to let you know that we are 1400 years ahead of you. I guess you did not get the point.

    I am still confused as to why you follow the bible in your hands.

    And yes Mary saves and every single Saint can, but none are gods and none are worshipped.

    If St Charbel’s message brings you over to God’s word and walk the right path then you will be saved hence St Charbel’s inspired your salvation. The same applies to Mary.
    Save != Worship.

    Shlomo Lokh.

  6. Charbel,

    Please, try to accept the facts: we have seen how the Lebanese language is an Arabic dialect. I gave you the reference, so go read it carefully.
    “Ta3abbada” is clearly an Arabic word, and it means “honor in worship”.

    I brought muslims into the mix to let you know that we are 1400 years ahead of you. I guess you did not get the point.

    No, you brought the Muslims, because you think they represent a reference.

    Whom do you mean when you say “ahead of you”? The Apostles of Christ lived almost 2000 years ago…

    I am still confused as to why you follow the bible in your hands.

    Because it is the Word of God. Read more about this here. You can also read The Canon of Scripture.

    And yes Mary saves and every single Saint can, but none are gods and none are worshipped.

    And the Bible says that no one other than Jesus saves, and we have seen how St. Charbel tells you to worship Mary. We have also seen how prayer is worship.

    If St Charbel’s message brings you over to God’s word and walk the right path then you will be saved hence St Charbel’s inspired your salvation. The same applies to Mary.

    Only the Holy Spirit brings people to Salvation. Salvation is not the work of men. Read the Bible and see.

    Save != Worship.

    I didn’t get this logic…

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  7. Charbel says:

    What facts?

    Someone who is living in his own world is talking about facts? The fact is that you are refusing to see and living in self denial. I am telling you Lebanese is not a dialect of Arabic yet you insist on going round in circles, because you know very well that once you accept that fact your whole claim will collapse. (I asked you to translate “Nafad brishou”, why not get your other Lebanese friends to translate it, and while at it ask them when was the last time they said to their mother: Ommi Ana Ja’e3, or Ta3ali Ila hona ya ommi, or maza hadarti lana min ta3am el yawm.) When you get your answer let me know.

    You have not shown anything, you speak as if you hold the ultimate truth , and all the facts, yet you have nothing, except spreading false propaganda.

    Truth of the matter is no one in the catholic church / orthodox church or Maronite church worships anything but God full stop.

    No if’s but’s or otherwise, and this is where it ends.

    Beyond that you are free to believe what you like.

    Just one more piece of information to add to your repository, There exists an actual ancient Marian sect, therefore you are stereotyping Millions of people.

    I recommend you reading about that ancient heretic sect, along side many others.

    1400 years ahead of you means since the advent of Islam (By the way Islam is another Christian church), Our beliefs have been attacked for the last 1400 years so your claims are not new, you are not the only one and will not be the last. Therefore we are 1400 years ahead of your claims (at least). (1400 years worth of experience refuting claims such as yours ), One more thing you actually do share many attributes with Islam only difference is that they believe Mohamed to be the messenger of God, and that God attempted to correct the Christians beliefs that were lead astray.
    In one Verse of Quran it is quiet explicit where God is questioning people as to why they worship Mary as opposed to God.

    I hope it is clearer to you know as to why I said we are 1400 years ahead of you.

    Shlomo Lokh.

  8. What facts?

    We have seen them above. Please, read again.

    Someone who is living in his own world is talking about facts?

    You mean St. Charbel was living in his own world when he said those words about Mary?… Or maybe you mean the Bible is words of someone living in his own world?…

    The fact is that you are refusing to see and living in self denial.

    The one who refuses to see is the one who dismisses all the proofs that we brought.

    I am telling you Lebanese is not a dialect of Arabic yet you insist on going round in circles, because you know very well that once you accept that fact your whole claim will collapse.

    Yeah, YOU (Charbel) are telling me this, so I should accept it, and I should dismiss the whole facts that we have seen together… Go to the article to which I linked you, and try to read and learn.

    (I asked you to translate “Nafad brishou”, why not get your other Lebanese friends to translate it, and while at it ask them when was the last time they said to their mother: Ommi Ana Ja’e3, or Ta3ali Ila hona ya ommi, or maza hadarti lana min ta3am el yawm.) When you get your answer let me know.

    That’s the main point that you are not getting: That a dialect is not supposed to follow the grammar rules of the main language. Do you think an Arabic dialect should follow the rules of the classic Arabic? Then the Syrian dialect is not Arabic? They say “shlonak” instead of “kayfa l 7al”… Again, maybe the people in Saudi Arabia also are not talking an Arabic dialect, because they say “zen” instead of “jamil” or “jayyed”… Thus we conclude that our friend Charbel thinks there are no Arabic dialects, but only the classic Arabic is Arabic…

    For more info about this, please read the following pages:

    Varieties of Arabic — Regional differences (Note how the Lebanese dialect is mentioned among the Arabic dialects).

    Arabic Dialects

    Yes, the Lebanese Arabic dialect has some Syriac characteristics (especially in grammar), but the main vocabulary is the Arabic vocabulary. For instance, “ta3abbada” is an Arabic verb used not only in the Lebanese dialect, but also in the Egyptian Arabic dialect and in the Saudi Arabian Arabic dialect and in other Arabic dialects, as well as in the classic Arabic language. You need to admit this linguistic fact and forget about the brainwashing that you had from some of your leaders who have convinced you that the case is otherwise.

    By the way: you are contending to prove that “t3abbadou” means “dedication of prayers to someone”. But we have seen that THAt is worship! So why are you contending? You’re saying the same thing as we said: St. Charbel is asking people to worship Mary by being dedicated to her in prayer!

    You have not shown anything, you speak as if you hold the ultimate truth , and all the facts, yet you have nothing, except spreading false propaganda.

    The article and the comments are before everyone to see if we are making false claims.

    Truth of the matter is no one in the catholic church / orthodox church or Maronite church worships anything but God full stop.

    You admitted that you pray to Mary and you ask her to save you, which is worship, as we have seen.

    And St. Charbel clearly said that you should worship Mary (be dedicated to her in prayer, as you explained).

    No if’s but’s or otherwise, and this is where it ends.

    Beyond that you are free to believe what you like.

    I invite you to believe what God says in the Bible.

    Just one more piece of information to add to your repository, There exists an actual ancient Marian sect, therefore you are stereotyping Millions of people.

    The first Christians were called Christians because they followed and worshiped Christ. Those who follow and worship Mary are Marians, whatever is the name of their denomination or sect, whether it is “Marian” or “Orthodox” or “Maronite” or whatever. By the way, there is a Marian order among Roman Catholics called in Arabic “al rahbana al Mariamiyya”: does this mean that they are borrowing their name from that ancient sect that you mentioned, or that no other Roman Catholic is Marian other than that order’s members?…

    You should have noticed that you should try to find better arguments to face the powerful Word of God (which you will fail to do)…

    I recommend you reading about that ancient heretic sect, along side many others.

    OK. And I recommend you to read about the Marian Order that I mentioned above…

    1400 years ahead of you means since the advent of Islam (By the way Islam is another Christian church), Our beliefs have been attacked for the last 1400 years so your claims are not new, you are not the only one and will not be the last.

    It’s interesting that you call Islam a Christian church when Islam denies that Jesus is God incarnate…

    Your beliefs are your beliefs and they are wrong. The Bible tells us to tell people the truth and call them out of all lies so that they may be saved. That’s what we do.

    Therefore we are 1400 years ahead of your claims (at least). (1400 years worth of experience refuting claims such as yours ),

    Try to refute the truth of the Bible which says that you should worship God alone, and that only God is the Savior.

    One more thing you actually do share many attributes with Islam only difference is that they believe Mohamed to be the messenger of God, and that God attempted to correct the Christians beliefs that were lead astray.

    We don’t believe that Salvation is by works, as you and Muslims do…

    In one Verse of Quran it is quiet explicit where God is questioning people as to why they worship Mary as opposed to God.

    Finally you admitted this… So your previous argument fell… You claimed that Muslims never persecuted you for worshiping Mary, and now you disproved your own point… Interesting…

    Please, be honest with yourself and leave all those deceptions and come to the Lord Jesus Christ who ALONE can save you.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  9. Charbel says:

    Arabic Language is a dead language no one on earth speaks arabic. In fact no society or nation Spoke arabic for the last 1000 years.

    Not even in Saudi they speak arabic, if at all I have heard of some tribes that their language is the closest to Arabic but not the classical arabic we know it. My friend if you have never been to school you will never learn arabic and therefore will never be able to comprehend what is been recited to you.. and this is why the arabs in general are not capable of making any major contributions to todays modern advances. They learn one language and speak another.

    The great thinker Said Akl realised that half a century ago and came up with his own Lebanese script. Today me and you know are using his vision to communicate through translitertating arabic into latin.

    In light of the above if you want to translate something from Lebanese to english you have to take into consideration its usage and context, and not by going to back what you think is the origin of it and translate based on that.

    You are the master of deciet. Saint Charbel said t3abado to Mary.
    Lets study this for a second.

    in Arabic:
    Abd = Salve.
    Ta3abad = Enslaving himself (male).
    Ya3bod = Worship.

    In Lebanese:
    abd = Slave
    t3abad = enslaving himself
    3bado = worship.

    As you can quiet clearly see in Lebanese the actual term to worship is 3bado and not ta3bad… and even in Arabic it Ya3bod as opposed to yata3bad.

    Therefore the phrase that St Charbel should have said according to your false claim:

    Eza badkon tokhlaso bi soholi 3bado maryam el 3dra.

    But this is not what he said, his statement was:
    Eza badkon tokhlaso bi soholi t3abado maryam el 3dra.

    Why did he use t3abado as opposed to 3bado?.

    The answer is obvious becuase t3abado does not mean 3bado as you claim but rather enslaving yourself and contextual translation would be dedicate yourselves.

    I think that is enough to put this argument to bed.

    Regarding the Marian order you speak of… there are many orders and Marian is simply just one Jesuites/Caremlites/LebaneseMaronite/LebaneseMariamite.. etc… like they say in Lebanon you did not invent the gun powder 😉 .

    I was refering to Al maryamyeen…. this is a christian denomination that existed and thrived in the arabian penninsula around the 500’s-600’sAD.

    Finally I am quiet shocked at how incapable of comprehending.

    As I mentioned the paragraph above there were a christian denomination in arabia that worshipped Mary.. at the adven of Islam Mohamed and his Nestorian mentor Waraq bin nawfal were exposed to all those heretical sects of the time (all 33 of them) therefore that particular verse was aimed at that denominations… “Kala el lah, ya Issa Ibno Maryam anta kolta llinasi Etakhizoni w ommi elhayn min don el lah”

    Indeed it is interesting, but only if you read what I said.

    Regarding Islam being a Christian church, this is my own personal philosphoy based on own research and readings.

    The reasoning behind this are numerous, however the most striking is the close teachings of Nestor to what muslims practice. Infact in modern day Iraq the still few practicing Nestorians claim that Islam stole some of their teachings.

    Mohamed himself was a Nestorian, his marriage was a christian marriage to Khadija who’s cousin is the know Nestorian Bishop Waraqa bin nawfal.

    It is also worth mentioning the recent book “A Syro Aramaic reading of the Koran”, which is quiet interesting becuase it does help boost my claim on the major difference bewteen the contextual and literary translations.

    One more thing, the great author and minister of Egypt Taha Hussein was asked once about the language of God, he said Syriac, when quizzed over this he said why would God speak Arabic which is supposed to be derived from Syriac which is the mother language, if I were God I go for the root and speak Syriac. He nearly got killed and was sacked from his post.

    My purppose is served here….

  10. Arabic Language is a dead language no one on earth speaks arabic. In fact no society or nation Spoke arabic for the last 1000 years.

    Wow… You say this because you refuse to believe that all those Arabic dialects are indeed Arabic dialects. But academic people who know better than you say that people in all Arab countries talk Arabic in their own dialects…

    Not even in Saudi they speak arabic, if at all I have heard of some tribes that their language is the closest to Arabic but not the classical arabic we know it.

    Yes, we have seen how Arabic dialects are NOT the classic Arabic. You still don’t understand that Arabic dialects are NOT the main classic Arabic, but its dialects. Ah, and by the way: all the countries that use an Arabic dialect in conversations use the CLASSIC Arabic in their literature! So I wonder what you mean when you say that the classic Arabic is dead…

    My friend if you have never been to school you will never learn arabic and therefore will never be able to comprehend what is been recited to you.. and this is why the arabs in general are not capable of making any major contributions to todays modern advances. They learn one language and speak another.

    They learn classic Arabic, and they use it in science, and they write books in that classic Arabic, and they translate books in that classic Arabic, and they translate movies in that classic Arabic, and they speak their own dialects.

    Who can convince you when you have an agenda that makes you get embarrassed with such foolish and wrong ideas?…

    The great thinker Said Akl realised that half a century ago and came up with his own Lebanese script. Today me and you know are using his vision to communicate through translitertating arabic into latin.

    What a vision… All people transliterate languages. We even have transliterated Greek New Testaments and transliterated Hebrew Old Testaments! Said Akl didn’t invent something new! But he had that idea that the Lebanese language should be special… But look at him: he has poems in classic Arabic…

    But I don’t see how this means that “t3abbadou” doesn’t mean “worship”…

    In light of the above if you want to translate something from Lebanese to english you have to take into consideration its usage and context, and not by going to back what you think is the origin of it and translate based on that.

    We have seen what “t3abbadou” means in Arabic, and we have seen how the Lebanese dialect is an Arabic dialect. You need some humility to admit this fact… And to make you finally stop embarrassing yourself like this, I will now give you a LEBANESE site, even a MARONITE diocese site, that cites the same quote from St. Charbel but in classic Arabic, and explains how St. Charbel said “WORSHIP Mary”… Here it is. On this page we read the following sentence in CLASSIC Arabic:

    “إن الأب شربل مخلوف قد ورث عبادة العذراء وارتشف محبتها من ينبوعين: بيته ورهبانيّته.”

    The literal translation of this CLASSIC Arabic sentence is:

    “The Father Charbel Makhlouf [means St. Charbel] inherited the worship of the Virgin and sucked her love from two sources: his house and his monastic order.”

    Do you see that word “3ibada” in classic Arabic? That is translated as worship in English. So please stop embarrassing yourself with this ignorant and fruitless debate about the Lebanese dialect and start to realize that Roman Catholicism teaches people to worship creatures instead of God.

    You are the master of deciet. Saint Charbel said t3abado to Mary.
    Lets study this for a second.

    in Arabic:
    Abd = Salve.
    Ta3abad = Enslaving himself (male).
    Ya3bod = Worship.

    In Lebanese:
    abd = Slave
    t3abad = enslaving himself
    3bado = worship.

    As you can quiet clearly see in Lebanese the actual term to worship is 3bado and not ta3bad… and even in Arabic it Ya3bod as opposed to yata3bad.

    Therefore the phrase that St Charbel should have said according to your false claim:

    Eza badkon tokhlaso bi soholi 3bado maryam el 3dra.

    But this is not what he said, his statement was:
    Eza badkon tokhlaso bi soholi t3abado maryam el 3dra.

    Why did he use t3abado as opposed to 3bado?.

    The answer is obvious becuase t3abado does not mean 3bado as you claim but rather enslaving yourself and contextual translation would be dedicate yourselves.

    I think that is enough to put this argument to bed.

    In Arabic “t3abbadou” is a stressed form of “3bado”, meaning “worship continually and with diligence“. Just as you said, it is to enslave yourself to someone… And St. Charbel says enslave yourself to Mary, a creature… And that’s what I am saying: The Bible teaches that you should only enslave yourself to GOD, i.e. be His worshiper, and not the worshiper of any creature! True freedom is in being the slave of God and not the slave of sin or of any creature!

    And we have seen how that MARONITE diocese site puts YOUR argument to bed. So go read it again, and see how they say St. Charbel said that we should worship Mary… I guess your bishops know better than you what St. Charbel said…

    Regarding the Marian order you speak of… there are many orders and Marian is simply just one Jesuites/Caremlites/LebaneseMaronite/LebaneseMariamite.. etc… like they say in Lebanon you did not invent the gun powder 😉 .

    Great! So you admit that not only that order is Marian…

    So as I said: all those who worship Mary are Marians, although some groups are specially called “Marian”.

    And thus your argument proved to be a vapor…

    I was refering to Al maryamyeen…. this is a christian denomination that existed and thrived in the arabian penninsula around the 500′s-600′sAD.

    And we’re not talking about them, just as we are not talking about the Marian Order which we mentioned above…

    Finally I am quiet shocked at how incapable of comprehending.

    Readers can see who’s the incapable… And I hope some Roman Catholics will finally wake up and see what kind of people are the ones with whom they are associated…

    As I mentioned the paragraph above there were a christian denomination in arabia that worshipped Mary.. at the adven of Islam Mohamed and his Nestorian mentor Waraq bin nawfal were exposed to all those heretical sects of the time (all 33 of them) therefore that particular verse was aimed at that denominations… “Kala el lah, ya Issa Ibno Maryam anta kolta llinasi Etakhizoni w ommi elhayn min don el lah”

    Indeed it is interesting, but only if you read what I said.

    How did they worship Mary? By making statues of her and burning incense before her statues?… (Just as Roman Catholics do?…)

    Regarding Islam being a Christian church, this is my own personal philosphoy based on own research and readings.

    The reasoning behind this are numerous, however the most striking is the close teachings of Nestor to what muslims practice. Infact in modern day Iraq the still few practicing Nestorians claim that Islam stole some of their teachings.

    Mohamed himself was a Nestorian, his marriage was a christian marriage to Khadija who’s cousin is the know Nestorian Bishop Waraqa bin nawfal.

    Nestorius believed Jesus is God, while Muhammad said Jesus is NOT God… So I wonder how you concluded that Muhammad was a Nestorian…

    Anyways… it’s clear that we’re dealing with someone who doesn’t know theological history… However, one doesn’t need to know all this in order to be saved. You only need to repent and put your trust in Christ alone for your Salvation. Do you want to be saved? Please, do not postpone thinking about this, because God’s wrath is on you because of your sins. You need to be saved from your sins or else you’re going to Hell eternally!

    One more thing, the great author and minister of Egypt Taha Hussein was asked once about the language of God, he said Syriac, when quizzed over this he said why would God speak Arabic which is supposed to be derived from Syriac which is the mother language, if I were God I go for the root and speak Syriac. He nearly got killed and was sacked from his post.

    Let’s say it is true that Taha said this (which needs a proof, of course). But how does this make this human called Taha a reference? We have seen how Syriac and Arabic are two different languages, although they are from the same language family.

    Now, it’s really interesting that you turned and turned in circles to prove things about the Lebanese dialect, and you got embarrassed even by a Maronite diocese site, and you totally dismissed the fact studied by this article: That St. Charbel said that if you want to be saved easily (I don’t know what he meant by “easily”…), then worship the Virgin Mary, as she is able to save all those who worship her… You totally dismissed the fact that St. Charbel says that Mary should be honored as the savior instead of Jesus Christ…

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  11. Charbel says:

    Funny how you always try to direct me to sites to read things off just proof your false point, and funny two that in the same article you referenced I can clearly contextually that the “3ebada” you refer to as being worship is supposed to actually indicate dedication. I only say this because if you read further on you will the following: ”من كان للعذراء عبداً، لن يدركه الهلاك أبداً“ , which translates to “the one who is a salve to mary will never go to hell (or something to like that)”.

    I therefore conclude that you are true literarian who picks words to proof his point without referring to contextual meaning.

    Regarding Arabic language, I think you should really read more about this topic, and see the dilemma the Arab youth is living in, because they think, dream, and speak in one language, yet read and write in another. This is a real problem that faces the entire Arab world.

    and since you like and insist on referring me I guess it is my turn to refer you somewhere:

    : “One should not think that a dialect is a “badly spoken” language: it is indeed a full-fledged language, with a specific grammar and lexicon. If however it is said today that Italian, Spanish or French are languages, it is not because they are richer, handsomer or better structured than Leonese, Napolitan or Picard, but because they have acquired more prestige by becoming literary and official languages for constituted States. The idioms that were the starting points of these three languages, respectively the Tuscan dialect of Florence, the Castillan dialect and the dialect of the Ile-de-France, were themselves, originally, but dialects spoken on a reduced geographical area.”
    Henriette Walter, in L’aventure des langues en Occident, p132.

    Lebanese Language

    Just do a bit of research on the topic.

    If anyone embarrassing himself it is rather you who is doing this, for refusing to accept what is slowly becoming main stream.

    As for what Nestor school teaches and prophet Muhamad, I think you should also read up a bit on this too and I recommend a book called “The Priest and the Prophet” by Abu Musa el hariri (alias name).

    Yes Muhamed was a Nestorian which was the most dominant sect at the time in Arabia. Muhamed was mentored by bishop waraqa bin Nawfal. The quoran was meant to be another Christian religious book, to correct and unify all the Christian sects of arabia (see “A Syro-Aramaic reading of the Koran” by Christoph Luxenberg ), however things changed radically after his death and then eventually all other Qorans were burnt and only one was kept which is known as the copy of Othman.
    Have a read on this site: Islameyat , you may also find the book “The Priest and the Prophet” in the books section.

  12. Funny how you always try to direct me to sites to read things off just proof your false point, and funny two that in the same article you referenced I can clearly contextually that the “3ebada” you refer to as being worship is supposed to actually indicate dedication. I only say this because if you read further on you will the following: ”من كان للعذراء عبداً، لن يدركه الهلاك أبداً“ , which translates to “the one who is a salve to mary will never go to hell (or something to like that)”.

    I therefore conclude that you are true literarian who picks words to proof his point without referring to contextual meaning.

    Yes, we have seen that the Bible says that we should not be the slaves of anyone but God. Case closed. We can’t repeat the same things again and again if you’re unable to understand.

    Regarding Arabic language, I think you should really read more about this topic, and see the dilemma the Arab youth is living in, because they think, dream, and speak in one language, yet read and write in another. This is a real problem that faces the entire Arab world.

    and since you like and insist on referring me I guess it is my turn to refer you somewhere:

    : “One should not think that a dialect is a “badly spoken” language: it is indeed a full-fledged language, with a specific grammar and lexicon. If however it is said today that Italian, Spanish or French are languages, it is not because they are richer, handsomer or better structured than Leonese, Napolitan or Picard, but because they have acquired more prestige by becoming literary and official languages for constituted States. The idioms that were the starting points of these three languages, respectively the Tuscan dialect of Florence, the Castillan dialect and the dialect of the Ile-de-France, were themselves, originally, but dialects spoken on a reduced geographical area.”
    Henriette Walter, in L’aventure des langues en Occident, p132.

    Lebanese Language

    Just do a bit of research on the topic.

    If anyone embarrassing himself it is rather you who is doing this, for refusing to accept what is slowly becoming main stream.

    Thanks for that site. That article is written by someone who is NOT a linguist but only INTERESTED in linguistics. Read more about her here.

    Anyways, this case has been closed a long time ago. I have given you professional articles, and you keep giving me links to personal opinions…

    As for what Nestor school teaches and prophet Muhamad, I think you should also read up a bit on this too and I recommend a book called “The Priest and the Prophet” by Abu Musa el hariri (alias name).

    Nestorius believed that Jesus is God. Did Muhammad believe that Jesus is God?

    Yes Muhamed was a Nestorian which was the most dominant sect at the time in Arabia. Muhamed was mentored by bishop waraqa bin Nawfal. The quoran was meant to be another Christian religious book, to correct and unify all the Christian sects of arabia (see “A Syro-Aramaic reading of the Koran” by Christoph Luxenberg ), however things changed radically after his death and then eventually all other Qorans were burnt and only one was kept which is known as the copy of Othman.
    Have a read on this site: Islameyat , you may also find the book “The Priest and the Prophet” in the books section.

    Nestorius believed that Jesus is God. Did Muhammad believe that Jesus is God?

    Anyways… So readers can see how you kept turning and turning, and you didn’t admit this fact: That St. Charbel said worship Mary because she saves more easily. I hope you will wake up and see this soon.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  13. Charbel says:

    St Charbel is a hermit who dedicated his life to God….

    His took the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. and followed those for the rest of his life.

    People called him saint even during his life….

    His life was full of God’s grace….

    Where are me and you from this???

    You posses nothing to attack St Charbel… and like it or not he is known worldwide, east and west.. pilgrims flock to his hermitage daily… miracles are reported from as far as the Philippines to Russia to Brazil etc….

    Who are you to criticize God’s will??

    It is the devils way of attacking God’s servants, to sway people off the right path. I would not want anyone and certainly not you, God forbid, to be the one paving the way for this.

    Regarding Muhamad… as I said he was a Christian, therefore he believed what Christians believed in, he was married to Khadija who’s relative is Bishop Waraqa bin Nawfal, who was also the spiritual mentor of Mohamed so much so that when Waraqa passed away Muhamed wanted to kill himself and attempted suicide 3 times, and this is because Gods messages stopped, (coincided with Waraqas death) … he remained faithful to her until she died despite the age difference, and this is indicative of a Christian marriage too…

    You need to read more on this topic… try the book I posted the link to… above.

    May St Charbel’s life inspire us all to follow in his footsteps to salvation and eternal life.

  14. St Charbel is a hermit who dedicated his life to God….

    His took the vows of poverty, chastity and obedience. and followed those for the rest of his life.

    People called him saint even during his life….

    His life was full of God’s grace….

    Where are me and you from this???

    Many of the things that you described above are sinful, so I wonder what you are trying to prove with this… The Bible says:
    “Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God.” (Colossians 2:18-19)

    It seems that you think being a saint is what you described above, but that is very wrong. No one can become a saint by those self-righteous acts. And if you look for PEOPLE to call you a saint, then you have a real problem, because the Apostle Paul said:
    “For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.” (Galatians 1:10)

    You posses nothing to attack St Charbel… and like it or not he is known worldwide, east and west.. pilgrims flock to his hermitage daily… miracles are reported from as far as the Philippines to Russia to Brazil etc….

    You think a person is a saint if people worship him and if he is known worldwide??… And I will wait for you to show me ONE miracle done by St. Charbel who is dead now… You can’t. The miracles that you are talking about are caused by the judgment of God on people who don’t want to believe the truth. Read more about this in our article: Superstitions of the Roman Catholics.

    Who are you to criticize God’s will??

    I am not here to criticize, but to declare God’s Will. The Bible is God’s Will. We have clearly seen how God’s Will is that you believe that ONLY Jesus can save you and that you should worship God alone. St. Charbel told you to worship Mary and talked about an easy salvation? Then don’t believe him, because he contradicts God’s Word. If St. Charbel went somewhere alone and tortured himself, that doesn’t make him an authority to which you should listen above the Word of God. Besides this, torturing yourself is a sin; you should have respect for your body which also is a gift from God.

    It is the devils way of attacking God’s servants, to sway people off the right path. I would not want anyone and certainly not you, God forbid, to be the one paving the way for this.

    God’s servants do not turn people’s eyes from Jesus to Mary as their savior.

    Regarding Muhamad… as I said he was a Christian, therefore he believed what Christians believed in, he was married to Khadija who’s relative is Bishop Waraqa bin Nawfal, who was also the spiritual mentor of Mohamed so much so that when Waraqa passed away Muhamed wanted to kill himself and attempted suicide 3 times, and this is because Gods messages stopped, (coincided with Waraqas death) … he remained faithful to her until she died despite the age difference, and this is indicative of a Christian marriage too…

    You mean Muhammad believed Jesus is God?…

    You need to read more on this topic… try the book I posted the link to… above.

    You said I am weak for linking to MY articles?…

    May St Charbel’s life inspire us all to follow in his footsteps to salvation and eternal life.

    You can’t save yourself by your merits and works. You’re a sinner who need Christ to save you. Read more about this here: HOW TO BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD?

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  15. Charbel says:

    I did not say you are weak because you link but rather because for every argument you have no personal conclusion but rather a verse in a book somewhere, this is to pass a message to the other party that the book responds and not you in an attempt to give authenticity to your claims, therefore you have to treat the bible as the WORD of God, that can not be intereprted contextually.

    We have moved away from this method centuries ago… you are living in the middle ages….

    If you accept the Church fathers teachings then that should also include the Saints intercessions….

    If you do not accept the Church fathers teachings then the bible you follow need to be re authenticated and you can not use the Church fathers canon.

    You can’t save yourself by your merits and works. You’re a sinner who need Christ to save you.

    The above statement is interesting…. so you are saying that if I follow Jesus and I am a thied and murder, I will be saved?.

    It is your mertis and works what you will be judged upon…. and the Gospelis full of parables that emphasis this particular argument…

    Now I have my doubts over you being a literarian and follow the Gospel word for word.

    St Charbel life and death is a testimony to God power… even in his death and for over 50 years his body baffled doctors and scientists…

    The miracles he performed after his death number in 10’s of thousands… I have been blessed with two personally… so what are you talking about??

    I recomend visiting his shrine in Annaya… maybe he will touch your heart and soul…

    I do not need miracles to believe nevertheless, his way of life is enough for me.

  16. I did not say you are weak because you link but rather because for every argument you have no personal conclusion but rather a verse in a book somewhere, this is to pass a message to the other party that the book responds and not you in an attempt to give authenticity to your claims, therefore you have to treat the bible as the WORD of God, that can not be intereprted contextually.

    We have moved away from this method centuries ago… you are living in the middle ages….

    In the Middle Ages, the Roman Catholic Church didn’t allow people to have the Bible in their languages so that they may not see how they were NOT applying the Bible word for word, but they were adding their own views to it… Later, the Protestant Reformation came and people got the Bible in their own languages and returned to the literal study of the Word of God. Yes, we have moved away from your wrong way of adding your views to God’s Word…

    If you don’t want God to say what He clearly said in the Bible, just tell us about that…

    If you accept the Church fathers teachings then that should also include the Saints intercessions….

    The Church Fathers’ teachings are like any Christian theologian’s teachings: they are fallible. They studied the Word of God and came to conclusions. We accept whatever agrees with the Word of God, and we reject whatever disagrees with what God has said. For instance: Roman Catholics do not believe in premillennialism, and yet the MAJORITY of the Church Fathers in the first centuries believed in premillennialism! And there are many other things that the Church Fathers believed which the Roman Catholics do not believe. Just be serious, and go study the topic of the Canon of Scripture in its place: The Canon of Scripture.

    If you do not accept the Church fathers teachings then the bible you follow need to be re authenticated and you can not use the Church fathers canon.

    The Canon is not the Church Fathers’ Canon. We have seen this in our article The Canon of Scripture. Don’t be lazy; go read it.

    The above statement is interesting…. so you are saying that if I follow Jesus and I am a thied and murder, I will be saved?.

    If I follow Jesus, will I be a thief and a murderer? Is this your understanding of a follower of Christ? Is this your understanding of Salvation?? Please, don’t waste your time: go read this important article: HOW TO BE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD? Read it, please.

    It is your mertis and works what you will be judged upon…. and the Gospelis full of parables that emphasis this particular argument…

    Yes, it is by your works that you will be judged, and all your works are sinful. The only way to be saved is by the blood of Jesus Christ. You need to repent and put your trust in Christ. Mary cannot save you; don’t believe St. Charbel in this matter. Your works also cannot save you, but your works are sinful and you will be JUDGED by them!

    Now I have my doubts over you being a literarian and follow the Gospel word for word.

    Are you confused? Which one is it? Am I a “literarian” or not?…

    St Charbel life and death is a testimony to God power… even in his death and for over 50 years his body baffled doctors and scientists…

    The miracles he performed after his death number in 10′s of thousands… I have been blessed with two personally… so what are you talking about??

    I recomend visiting his shrine in Annaya… maybe he will touch your heart and soul…

    I do not need miracles to believe nevertheless, his way of life is enough for me.

    St. Charbel has done ZERO miracle, and his life was a way of torturing himself which is sinful, and he never preached the true Gospel but told people to worship Mary in order to be saved. I told you to go read the following article in order to know what are those miracles that are said to be miracles of St. Charbel: Superstitions of Roman Catholics. Those miracles are the consequence of the judgment of God on people who refuse to believe the truth.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  17. Mary's soldiers says:

    Mary in the Bible

    In this Article

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    Lord Jesus, let Your prayer of unity for Christians
    become a reality, in Your way
    we have absolute confidence
    that you can bring your people together
    we give you absolute permission to move
    Amen

  18. Dear Mary’s soldiers,

    It seems that you are not one person? Many soldiers?… If yes, then it seems that you are a heretical Ecumenical group. We, Christians, believe in one baptism and one Church. Christ has made all His disciples one by baptizing them with the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentecost. You can find more details about this truth in articles found on this blog. One of those articles is: The confusion about the catholic Church. The Church is one; what you are talking about is denominations, and some denominations are in heresy, like yours. We won’t be one with the heretics unless they repent and turn to the truth and to the true Church.

    Now, your prayer is interesting, and it shows how much you are ignorant of who God is. My friends, God is Sovereign; He doesn’t wait for you to give Him absolute permission to move; it is He who gives permissions.

    You need to repent and believe the true Gospel.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

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