Should we associate with the Mormons?

We continue our comments on the manuscript sent to us by a Mormon.(*)

And in this article, we will discuss the following assumption of Stephen Douglas, the author of that unscholarly Mormon manuscript; he wrote:

The contempt many Evangelical Christians justify toward us is taken from John’s second epistle: “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.  He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.  If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”  (2 John 9-11)  This is taken out of context. Pay attention to what they infer in the verses preceding this quote: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.  This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ.  Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.” (2 John 7-8)  We Latter-day Saints do confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.  Instead of declaring, “Let’s agree to disagree,” as do some less-lethal opponents on what is the doctrine of Christ, other Evangelical Christians call us an anti-Christ who deceives, even if they downplay our deception as unwitting.  This is arbitrary, subjective opinion not based on fact.  Our missionaries should be aware of this tactic, lest they waste their time with such individuals who intentionally deceive, all to burn precious time.  So Elders and Sisters, if they talk with you, but do not let you in, this should be a clue you are probably wasting your time.

You see, of course, how this Mormon tries to put himself in the position of the persecuted for the Gospel, although the Mormons are not persecuted for the Gospel of Christ, as they don’t preach that Gospel at all. They are persecuted by their brothers, the children of the evil one, for reasons other than righteousness and truth (cf. 1 Peter 2:19-20, 1 Peter 4:15-16). The Bible does not teach the true Christians to persecute people, so true Christians do not persecute the Mormons. We will see what the Bible tells us to do with Mormons and all cultists when we study the passage that Stephen quoted from 2 John.

It is noteworthy how this Mormon once again declares the truth as relative by encouraging the “Let’s agree to disagree” position that accepts to present the doctrine of Christ as unclear in the Word of God. We have explained the error of this false and hypocrite “open-mindedness” in our article Mormons confess that they are “open minded” in the interpretation of the Word of God.

Now, let’s see what God says concerning our relations with cultists and with all lost people, and concerning our attitude towards their false teachings.

Concerning our attitude towards cultists and everyone: LOVE.
Concerning our attitude towards the teachings and the sins of the cultists: HATRED.

Our Lord said:

“Ye have heard that it has been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, [bless those who curse you,] do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who [insult you and] persecute you, that ye may be [the] sons of your Father who is in [the] heavens; for he makes his sun rise on evil and good, and sends rain on just and unjust. For if ye should love those who love you, what reward have ye? Do not also the tax-gatherers the same? And if ye should salute your brethren only, what do ye extraordinary? Do not also the Gentiles the same? Be ye therefore perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect.” (Matthew 5:43-48)

So the Lord told us not only to love our beloved, but also our enemies. And this love is the fruit of the Spirit: “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, long-suffering, kindness, goodness, fidelity,  meekness, self-control” (Galatians 5:22-23) And as we only receive the Holy Spirit when we are born of God by faith (cf. Ephesians 1:13, Galatians 4:6), so cultists like Mormons cannot understand what this love is as they don’t have the Spirit (cf. Jude 19). They think love is about emotions and feelings and a hypocrite “open-mindedness”, as we have seen in the manuscript of Stephen. And yet, Jesus explained very clearly what love means. It means the following:

Blessing those who curse us: You meet such an attitude only in true Christians. While Mormons and cultists have a continuous anger towards true Christians that they call “evangelical Christians”, and they don’t lose any opportunity to express their resentment towards them, as you surely noticed if you followed our articles about the Mormon manuscript and the replies of the Mormons to it. This anger is not for the sake of the truth, but against the truth, as it is not based on the truth of God’s Word but it fights against it. They curse, while we bless.

Doing good to those who hate us: We help the Mormons if they need any good thing. Mormons usually think that we will be doing good to them if we encourage them in the wrong and deceiving way in which they are, or if we tell them lies and wrong teachings full of pragmatism and compromise as they do. They think we will be doing good if we say “let’s agree to disagree” and thus compromise in the Word of God! They think we will be doing good if we become “open-minded” in our study of the Bible and thus accept the devil’s interpretation of the Word of God as Eve did and as the Mormons are doing today. While telling lies and falsehood was never a way to do good to someone!! We do good to Mormons by telling them the truth.

Praying for those who persecute us: Mormons, just like all cults and false religions, persecute the truth of God’s Word preached by Christians. Some of the cults and the false religions just persecute us psychologically and mentally as they don’t have the means and/or the possibility to do more, others get to the point of persecuting us physically when they have the ability and/or the authority to do so (like in islamic countries, for example). Before all this persecution, by the Lord’s Grace we pray for those who persecute us, for they don’t know what they are doing. We ask the Lord to save them from the darkness in which they are.

Respecting all people, even our enemies, and greeting them with respect, with a greeting of blessing in the Name of Christ, as we have seen above: Once again, the worldly people and the cultists who do not have the Spirit of God think that this greeting means to give also our approval to the bad works and teachings of the person whom we greet; but this is very wrong. The Word of God says that true love “does not rejoice at iniquity but rejoices with the truth” (1 Corinthians 13:6).

Now, this last point about greeting even our enemies leads us to the passage that Stephen Douglas quoted without really understanding it. Let’s read it together in context:

“And this is love, that we should walk according to his commandments. This is the commandment, according as ye have heard from the beginning, that ye might walk in it. For many deceivers have gone out into the world, they who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in flesh — this is the deceiver and the antichrist. See to yourselves, that we may not lose what we have wrought, but may receive full wages. Whosoever goes forward and abides not in the doctrine of the Christ has not God. He that abides in the doctrine, he has both the Father and the Son. If any one come to you and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into [the] house, and greet him not; for he who greets him partakes in his wicked works.” (2 John 6-11)

The first and most important thing to notice in this passage, and which of course Stephen Douglas didn’t quote, is in the verse 6: we should walk in love just as we have received the commandment from the Lord as we have seen above. Mormons do not have this love for the truth of the Word of God, or else they would not be cultists and would not thus follow the way of lies. We Christians love the Mormons and all humans. Many cultists (example: Mormons) are just deceived people who are brainwashed by their teachers (called “deceivers” in this passage of 2 John), so they need to know the truth. Their teachers just tell them that they should go from house to house and tell people what they have learned. Of course, these deceived cultists may be people who really wanted to be deceived as they refused the love of the truth (cf. 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12). But we don’t judge them, and we tell them the truth with the hope that they may wake up from the deception and repent (cf. 2 Timothy 2:25-26, Titus 3:10).

Till here, we’re still in verse 6 of 2 John that Stephen Douglas didn’t want to quote. In all what we explained above there is nothing related with verses 7-11.

Now, when we want to witness to the Mormons (or to anyone who is lost in his sins) who come to our house, we have two main cases among us, believers:

1. Those believers who are spiritually mature and study the Word of God deeply.

2. Those believers who are immature and still need to learn many things before they can really see the deceptions behind the words of the cultists and may be able to help them come out of those deceptions (see Hebrews 5:11-14).

Now, the normal thing for a child of God is to follow the advices of the Word:

“Laying aside therefore all malice and all guile and hypocrisies and envyings and all evil speakings,  as newborn babes desire earnestly the pure mental milk of the word, that by it ye may grow up to salvation (1 Peter 2:1-2).

“but sanctify [the] Lord the Christ in your hearts, and [be] always prepared to [give] an answer [to] every one that asks you to give an account of the hope that [is] in you, but with meekness and fear (1 Peter 3:15).

“until we all arrive at the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, at [the] full-grown man, at [the] measure of the stature of the fulness of the Christ; in order that we may be no longer babes, tossed and carried about by every wind of that teaching [which is] in the sleight of men, in unprincipled cunning with a view to systematized error; but, holding the truth in love, we may grow up to him in all things, who is the head, the Christ (Ephesians 4:13-15).

True Christians have the anointing of God and cannot be deceived (cf. 1 John 2:20,21,27). So we should be ready to witness by the Spirit to those Mormons who come to our house. Usually, the deceived members of a cult will not get the answers they need by just talking to them at the door, so we should invite them in and explain to them the way of Salvation. You notice how I clearly stated the reason for inviting them into our house: to tell them the truth; to explain to them the way of Salvation. Till here, nothing is said against our behavior neither in 2 John nor in the whole Bible, but on the contrary the Word of God encourages us to be ready to witness to the lost in all the loving ways. But as I explained above, there is a case of Christian believers who are still immature in knowledge and/or practice. In the case of these immature believers who won’t be able to explain the truth and to expose the deceptions of the cultists, and in all cases where anyone receives the cultists into his house only to listen to what they have to teach, we will be doing a very wrong thing, as in these cases we will be receiving deceivers into our house to be taught by them, and not to call them out of their darkness. And this is the subject about which 2 John 7-11 is talking. As a blind cannot lead a blind (cf. Matthew 15:14), then if we receive a deceiver into our house to teach us, we will be choosing a blind to lead us instead of the Word of God. And indeed the verses 7 and 10 of 2 John make this very clear:

“For many deceivers have gone out into the world, they who do not confess Jesus Christ coming in flesh — this is the deceiver and the antichrist.” (v. 7)

“If any one come to you and bring not this doctrine, do not receive him into [the] house, and greet him not” (v. 10).

These verses clearly say that these warnings are in relation with “deceivers” who “bring” a “doctrine” or “teaching”. This passage is not about receiving simple deceived cultists to expose the deceptions of the deceivers who deceived them, and thus call them out of their deception to the truth. This passage is about receiving cultists as teachers.  This is very evident: imagine you call a cultist to teach you what you should believe! You will be partaking in his evil works and teachings, and you will be his follower. And as you know, a blind cannot lead a blind; both will fall in a pit: “And if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit.” (Matthew 15:14) So you will be deceived and you will fall into the pit. Besides this, have in mind that in the days of the Apostles many houses also became a place of worship where a local church used to meet (cf. Romans 16:5, 1 Corinthians 16:19, Colossians 4:15, Philemon 1:2). Some people didn’t only receive the false teachers into their personal houses, but also to houses where they met for worship! Even some of those false teachers became leaders among them, as we see in 3 John 9-10:

“I wrote something to the church; but Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them, does not accept what we say.
For this reason, if I come, I will call attention to his deeds which he does, unjustly accusing us with wicked words; and not satisfied with this, he himself does not receive the brethren, either, and he forbids those who desire to do so and puts them out of the church.”

Imagine this!! A certain leader called Diotrephes does not receive the teachings of the Apostles, and yet he’s a leader in a certain local church…

Now, imagine we receive today a Mormon into our church to teach us a doctrine or to preach the Lord’s Day’s sermon… That’s very wrong! Do you call a wolf into the flock of your sheep?? How can you call a false prophet into the house of God or into your house to teach you??

The Apostle John in 2 John 7-11 warns us against such fasle teachers. And in other places he encourages us to receive godly teachers and evangelists, just as all the Apostles encourage us (cf. 3 John 5-8). And in this, the Apostles are not doing anything against what Jesus taught, but on the contrary, they are warning the believers against false prophets just as Jesus taught them:

“But beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but within are ravening wolves. By their fruits ye shall know them. Do [men] gather a bunch of grapes from thorns, or from thistles figs? So every good tree produces good fruits, but the worthless tree produces bad fruits. A good tree cannot produce bad fruits, nor a worthless tree produce good fruits. Every tree not producing good fruit is cut down and cast into the fire. By their fruits then surely ye shall know them. Not every one who says to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but he that does the will of my Father who is in the heavens. Many shall say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied through thy name, and through thy name cast out demons, and through thy name done many works of power? and then will I avow unto them, I never knew you. Depart from me, workers of lawlessness.” (Matthew 7:15-23)

So the Lord and His Apostles warned us very clearly concerning false prophets who are ravening wolves and who come to us in sheep’s clothing, i.e. they claim to be true Christians just as their father the devil does (cf. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15). The Lord and His Apostles wanted the Church to have an immunity against the false teachers, because a body that has no good immunity is attacked by bad bacteria and viruses (as in the case of AIDS). Mormons hate passages of warning such as 2 John 7-11 and Romans 16:17 and 1 Corinthians 5:11 and Galatians 1:8-9, as such passages expose them! That’s why Stephen Douglas tried to explain it away, because Mormons want to look like sheep and like true Christians as we have seen in the title of his manuscript(*). Beware of such false prophets! You see how Mormons, just like all cults, want to enter your house as teachers and not as lost people who want to know the truth. The Apostle warned us about them:

“having a form of piety but denying the power of it: and from these turn away. For of these are they who are getting into houses, and leading captive silly women, laden with sins, led by various lusts, always learning, and never able to come to [the] knowledge of [the] truth.” (2 Timothy 3:5-7)

So in brief, 2 John 7-11 does not tell us not to receive lost sheep to lead them to the Shepherd, Jesus Christ: Many cultists are lost sheep, so we should witness to them and tell them the truth. This passage tells us not to receive wolves into our houses: Some cultists come to us only to teach us their false teachings and never to listen to the truth of God’s Word. We know them by their fruits (i.e. their teachings and their practice). You can very quickly notice who among them only wants to debate and impose his false teachings and never wants to listen to the truth. Therefore the Apostle advises Titus: “Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.” (Titus 3:10-11)

Now, before I pass to the explanation of the doctrine of Christ and how Mormons do not bring that doctrine, contrary to what Stephen Douglas says, let me say a word about the warning of the Apostle John in 2 John not to even greet the cultists. Well, here again all what we said above applies. This is not about greeting or blessing a cultist when we meet him. This is not about mistreating our neighbor if he is a Mormon. This is not about insulting a deceived Mormon. In all these cases, we have seen that the Lord told us to greet even our enemies. What John says in 2 John is about giving the greeting of approval to a cultist teacher. The Apostle John warns us: we should not give the greeting of approval to a cultist teacher. And to know what this greeting of approval means, all what you need to do is to read the greeting parts of the Apostles’ Epistles. Let me give you an example:

In the introduction of his second Epistle to Timothy, the Apostle Paul says that Phygellus and Hermogenes turned away from him, but that Onesiphorus was not ashamed of his chains (cf. 2 Timothy 1:15-17). Then he adds a prayerful wish concerning Onesiphorus, saying: “the Lord grant to him to find mercy from [the] Lord in that day — and how much service he rendered in Ephesus thou knowest best.” (2 Timothy 1:18) We have previously seen that it would be wrong to ask for mercy in that day for someone if he had not received the mercy of God already by faith in Christ(*). So imagine Paul sending a greeting concerning Phygellus and Hermogenes similar to the greeting of Onesiphorus… That would be an approval of what they did. Again, in 2 Timothy 2:17-18, the Apostle tells us about Hymenaeus and Philetus who taught a false teaching about resurrection. Now, let’s say Hymenaeus and Philetus are in the same region where Timothy is; imagine Paul asking Timothy at the end of his Epistle to greet Hymenaeus and Philetus!! What kind of an approval that would be for those heretics! And indeed, at the end of that Epistle, Paul greets the house of Onesiphorus, and yet he does not greet any false teacher, but on the contrary he sends warnings about them:

“Alexander the smith did many evil things against me. The Lord will render to him according to his works. Against whom be thou also on thy guard, for he has greatly withstood our words. At my first defence no man stood with me, but all deserted me. May it not be imputed to them. But the Lord stood with [me], and gave me power, that through me the proclamation might be fully made, and all [those of] the nations should hear; and I was delivered out of the lion’s mouth. The Lord shall deliver me from every wicked work, and shall preserve [me] for his heavenly kingdom; to whom [be] glory for the ages of ages. Amen. Salute Prisca and Aquila, and the house of Onesiphorus.” (2 Timothy 4:14-19)

You see how the Apostle didn’t greet Alexander or false teachers like him. If he did, that would be an approval of his works. And Paul warned Timothy against Alexander. On the other hand, Paul greets Prisca and Aquila and says nothing about them in the whole Epistle. But this greeting in itself shows that Paul approves the works and the teachings of Aquila and Prisca. So if Paul greeted a false teacher whom he knew was a false teacher, he would be automatically giving approval of his works and would be a partaker in his wicked works, just as John says: “for he who greets him partakes in his wicked works.” (2 John 11) And in fact the Apostle Paul does not say that cultists should be greeted with the greeting of approval, but he says that they are accursed: “The greeting is in my own hand–Paul. If anyone does not love the Lord, he is to be accursed. Maranatha.” (1 Corinthians 16:21-22) This doesn’t mean that we curse them, but that God has declared a curse against them for their sinful teachings, and so we should not approve of their deeds if we love the Lord.

Now that we have clarified how Stephen is wrong concerning the evangelical Christians whom he calls “lethal”, as real evangelical Christians do not mistreat the Mormons, I will pass to the important point about the doctrine of Christ.

Do Mormons really teach that Christ came in flesh?

I quote Stephen again:

This is taken out of context. Pay attention to what they infer in the verses preceding this quote: “For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.  This is a deceiver and an anti-Christ.  Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.” (2 John 7-8)  We Latter-day Saints do confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.

You see how Stephen insists that Mormons do confess Jesus Christ has come in the flesh, and thus he wants us to consider him as a Christian who just happens to have some different opinions… This principle of the truth being relative seems to be an essential characteristic of Mormonism…

In fact, let me tell you who also believes that Christ came in the flesh: Muslims, the cult of “Jehovah’s Witnesses”, and other sects. Does this mean that Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses really believe the true doctrine of Christ? Not at all! What is the point here? It is that Stephen Douglas once again wanted to deceive us by keeping our attention on the “is come in the flesh” part, and didn’t want us to think about WHO came in the flesh. Indeed, it is CHRIST who came in the flesh. Although Muslims and Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses say that they believe Jesus is the Christ, and yet they don’t really believe what this title “Christ” means concerning who Jesus really is. Muslims call Jesus “the Christ”, and yet they say He’s just another creature and prophet of God just like Adam! Jehovah’s Witnesses also call Him “the Christ”, and yet they say He’s the first created being and not God incarnate. They all say that Christ came in the flesh, and yet what do they mean by “Christ”?? This is the point; this is the doctrine of Christ that all cults deny, including Mormons. Mormons have a very wrong understanding concerning the Nature of Christ, so they have a wrong doctrine about Christ, not the doctrine that the Apostles preached.

We have studied what “Christ” means and who the Christ is in our article What does the word “Messiah” mean? Who is the Messiah? Mormons do not believe the biblical doctrine of Christ as explained in that article. They have a totally different and wrong doctrine about who Jesus is and what “Christ” means. So it’s not true that Mormons believe Christ came in the flesh.

The Apostle John clearly explained what it means that Jesus is the Christ. In fact, when he talks about “the doctrine of Christ”, he is not talking about a mysterious doctrine that he never explained. Even from the beginning of his Gospel, John explained to us WHO became flesh:

“In [the] beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” “And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us (and we have contemplated his glory, a glory as of an only-begotten with a father), full of grace and truth” (John 1:1,14)

So when the Apostle says that the antichrist religions do not believe in the doctrine of Christ that says that Christ came in the flesh, he means that they don’t believe that the Word who is God became flesh! Mormons do not believe that Jesus is God who became flesh; they say He’s part of a council of gods! Mormons are polytheists. The Apostle John was a monotheist Jew who believed in ONE God:

“Jesus answered, “The foremost is, ‘HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD (Mark 12:29)

Again, John shows us with the example of Thomas who is He who became flesh:

“Then he says to Thomas, Bring thy finger here and see my hands; and bring thy hand and put it into my side; and be not unbelieving, but believing. Thomas answered and said to him, My Lord and my God. Jesus says to him, Because thou hast seen me thou hast believed: blessed they who have not seen and have believed.” (John 20:27-29)

THIS is He who became flesh: My Lord and my God, the Creator of the heavens and the earth! And there is NO God besides Him: “I am the LORD, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me” (Isaiah 45:5)

Again, John says at the beginning of his first Epistle:

“That which was from [the] beginning, that which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes; that which we contemplated, and our hands handled, concerning the word of life; (and the life has been manifested, and we have seen, and bear witness, and report to you the eternal life, which was with the Father, and has been manifested to us: )” (1 John 1:1-2)

In this passage, the Apostle makes it clear that He who came in flesh is that same Word of God about whom he talked in the first chapter of his Gospel: That which was from the beginning. He gives this Word the Names of God: The Life, the eternal life. It is the Life Himself that was manifested in the incarnation, and not any created messenger of the Life!! John is rejoicing that they have HEARD, and SEEN, and TOUCHED God whom no one could ever hear, and see, and touch, as He “only has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen, nor is able to see; to whom [be] honour and eternal might. Amen.” (1 Timothy 6:16) This is He who came in flesh and was heard, and seen, and touched IN THE FLESH! “For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily (Colossians 2:9) “And confessedly the mystery of piety is great. God has been manifested in flesh, has been justified in [the] Spirit, has appeared to angels, has been preached among [the] nations, has been believed on in [the] world, has been received up in glory.” (1 Timothy 3:16)

Again, the Apostle explains:

“Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is the antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son has not the Father either; he who confesses the Son has the Father also.” (1 John 2:22-23)

Do Muslims deny that Jesus is the Christ? Apparently, no; actually, yes! They don’t really believe what this title “the Christ” means concerning the Nature of Jesus. Do Jehovah’s Witnesses deny that Jesus is the Christ? Apparently, no; actually, yes! They don’t really believe what this title “the Christ” means concerning the Nature of Jesus. The same applies to Mormons who don’t really believe that Jesus is the Christ, although they say they do, just like Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses. They don’t have the Son and the Father, as the Son is the only Way to the Father (read John 14:6). As we have seen in the article related to the word “Messiah” (*), a false christ who is just another human prophet cannot reconcile us with God; a false christ who is just a great angel of God cannot reconcile us with God; a false christ who is just a part of a pagan Mormon pantheon cannot reconcile us with God. The Bible clearly says: “and all things [are] of the God who has reconciled us to himself by [Jesus] Christ, and given to us the ministry of that reconciliation: how that God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, not reckoning to them their offences; and putting in us the word of that reconciliation.” (2 Corinthians 5:18-19) Jesus Christ is God incarnate, as we have seen in the above mentioned article. A simple creature cannot pay the debt of our sins.

And indeed, John also explains what I have explained here about the denial of the Muslims and of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and of Mormons: he says that many of those false teachers who deny that Jesus is the Christ have gone out from among us:

“Little children, it is [the] last hour, and, according as ye have heard that antichrist comes, even now there have come many antichrists, whence we know that it is [the] last hour. They went out from among us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have surely remained with us, but that they might be made manifest that none are of us.” (1 John 2:18-19)

These antichrists had a different view concerning what “Christ” means, just as Mormons today have a different non-biblical view concerning what “Christ” means. So contrary to what Stephen Douglas wants to make us believe, Mormons do not confess Jesus Christ is come in the flesh! They are antichrists. 1 John 2:22 says that the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ is a liar and an antichrist!! So Mormons are liars and antichrists just like Muslims and Jehovah’s Witnesses, although they say that they believe Jesus is the Christ. This is what they say! And should we believe what a liar says?… They say they believe Jesus is the Christ, as they hold to a form of godliness: “holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.” (2 Timothy 3:5)

Again:

“Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.” (1 John 4:15)

As we have seen in the article about the Messiah(*), the word “Messiah” means also “Son of God”. Does the above verse mean that Jehovah’s Witnesses abide in God and God in them? Not at all! Although Jehovah’s Witnesses confess that Jesus is the Son of God, and yet they don’t really confess that, as they have a totally different definition of what “Son of God” means. It is the same with Mormons who do not abide in God.

Again:

“Every one that believes that Jesus is the Christ is begotten of God; and every one that loves him that has begotten loves also him that is begotten of him.” (1 John 5:1)

Are all those who say they believe Jesus is the Christ begotten of God? Are Muslims born of God? Are Jehovah’s Witnesses born of God? Are Mormons born of God? Are all Roman Catholics born of God? Are all Seventh Day Adventists born of God? Are all who call themselves “Evangelical” born of God?? Not at all! It is not enough to say that you believe Jesus is the Christ. You should really believe He is the Christ, i.e. the Prophet who brought the New Covenant, God incarnate who came to HIS Temple as the Messenger of the Covenant, your personal Lord and Savior, the King of Heaven who is our High Priest, who gave His life for us on the cross to save us from our sins, and we can’t add anything to His work of Salvation. Yes, no human can add anything to His finished work of Salvation, as He offered up Himself for us once for all as our High Priest; no one can be a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek like Him! He FINISHED the work of Salvation. Anything less than this is the false teaching of the antichrist. The Word says: “but as many as received him, to them gave he [the] right to be children of God, to those that believe on his name; who have been born, not of blood, nor of flesh’s will, nor of man’s will, but of God.” (John 1:12-13) Only those who have received Him, the incarnated Word, are children of God.

This is the doctrine of Christ about which John is talking in 2 John and that Mormons do not teach as they follow an antichrist religion.

Now, this doctrine of Christ is very important. In fact, it is the rock upon which the Church of Christ is built!! Read with me:

“Now when Jesus came into the district of Caesarea Philippi, He was asking His disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?”
And they said, “Some say John the Baptist; and others, Elijah; but still others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.”
He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.
“I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it.”
(Matthew 16:13-18)

In this passage you see how much it is important for Jesus that we know who He is, as that’s what saves us from our sins (cf. John 8:24). If Jesus is not for us who He really is, then we don’t really have Him as our Lord and Savior. It doesn’t help us if we believe that He is John the Baptist who came in the flesh after he died, or that He is Elijah who came in the flesh, or Jeremiah or any other prophet! It doesn’t help us for our Salvation to believe that Jesus is a great prophet whom we call “Messiah”, as Muslims do. It doesn’t help us for our Salvation to believe that Jesus is a great angel, as Jehovah’s Witnesses teach. It doesn’t help us for our Salvation to believe that Jesus is part of a council of gods, as Mormons believe! It is very essential to believe that Jesus is who He really is: God incarnate, as we have seen in the other article(*). It is very essential to believe that Jesus is Christ, the Son of the living God. If we don’t really believe in Him as He really is, then we neither have Him, the Son, nor do we have the Father: “Whosoever goes forward and abides not in the doctrine of the Christ has not God. He that abides in the doctrine, he has both the Father and the Son.” (2 John 9) Many people do not notice it, but in this verse John says the Father and the Son are both the one God. John first says that the person who does not abide in the true doctrine of Christ has not God, then he says that he who does abide in the true doctrine, he has both the Father and the Son! In the second part of the verse, “God” is clearly replaced with “the Father and the Son”. So if we don’t have the true doctrine of Christ, we don’t really have the Father and the Son, and thus we are not saved!

And indeed, as we have seen in Matthew 16:13-18, “Christ” is the Nature of Jesus, and not just a title that He bears. To know that Jesus is the Christ means to know WHO Jesus is. And Jesus told Peter that this knowledge does not come from flesh and blood, but that it is revealed by God the Father. And He added that THIS is the rock upon which He will build His Church, and that the gates of Hades will not overpower it. When He says that the gates of Hades will not overpower it, this means that they will try to overpower it! And in fact, since the beginning, all cults attacked the Nature of Jesus Christ! All cults tried to destroy this rock upon which the Church is built, as Satan knows that if he destroys the chief corner stone then the whole building will be destroyed. But the promise of Jesus was based on a sure foundation: He said that the gates of Hades will not overpower the Church, as it is built on this doctrine of Christ. Thus we see why Mormons and all cultists attack this doctrine of Christ.

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Conclusion

It is not the true disciples of Jesus Christ who mistreat the Mormons, but it is the Mormons who refuse to receive true prophets of Christ! They prefer to receive the blind who will make them fall into a pit! But Stephen Douglas prefers to call the good evil and the evil good. But God says: “Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!” (Isaiah 5:20) You see how he just explained away the passage of 2 John, as it talks against his cult and against the deceivers who deceived him. Those deceivers want to enter our houses as teachers to lead us away from the truth of God’s Word. Stephen warns his “Elders and Sisters” not to “waste time” with people who don’t want to receive them as teachers, as Mormons do not have any loving message of truth to give. So when they are refused as deceiving wolves, they prefer to flee! Many of them are just lost sheep to whom we should present the Word of truth with the hope that they will wake up and come to repentance by receiving the Messiah as He really is: God incarnate who came to save us and to be our Lord and Savior. To know more about this, we invite all our dear Mormon friends and all our readers to read the following article: How to be justified before God? This article explains how there is no way to be justified before God unless you receive Christ as your personal Lord and Savior, i.e. He should be Lord over your life. The Bible clearly says that there should be no Lord over our life other than the one God; so we invite our Mormon friends to leave the deception of their polytheistic religion, and to come to the true God of the Bible who created the heavens and the earth. Contrary to what Stephen told us, we have seen how Mormons do not really confess Jesus Christ coming in flesh, so they are a religion of the antichrist according to 2 John 7-11 and many other passages of the Bible that we have read together. But as the Apostle Paul says in 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Mormons try to look like sheep or true prophets of God in order to deceive people like Satan does; therefore they want us to take the “Let’s agree to disagree” position towards them and to consider them as Christians so that they may deceive us with their false teachings. Contrary to what those deceivers want you to think, the doctrine of Christ is very important as the Church is built on that doctrine, and Satan does all what he can through all cults to destroy this rock. But we have the sure promise of Jesus who promised us through the confession of Peter: “And Simon Peter answering said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answering said to him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona, for flesh and blood has not revealed [it] to thee, but my Father who is in the heavens. And I also, I say unto thee that thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and hades’ gates shall not prevail against it.” (Matthew 16:16-18)

So, dear Stephen, whatever you cultists do, you will not be able to destroy this Rock. Instead of opposing Him, receive Him into your life as your personal Lord and Savior, and don’t worship any god besides Him.

Grace be with you!
Disciple of Jesus Christ

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4 Responses to Should we associate with the Mormons?

  1. Stephen Douglas says:

    As I posted on the other articles on my “unscholarly” manuscript, I will let your readers decide whether or not they want to know what we believe without you putting your neverending spin on it. I find it ironic how you modern Protestants would actually use the same tactic the Pharisees used to dismiss Peter’s credentials as an apologist for Christ. After all, he was not a doctor of the law; he was just an uneducated fisherman. Yet, he was the head apostle, to whom Paul, a “scholarly” Pharisee, had to report.

    So, readers, if you are out there, here is my email: puteoli1@aol.com. Send me a message and I will send it to you gratis.

  2. As I posted on the other articles on my “unscholarly” manuscript, I will let your readers decide whether or not they want to know what we believe without you putting your neverending spin on it.

    Thanks for admitting that our biblical responses are bothering you, as you want to teach people your false human doctrines without giving them the opportunity to hear the biblical responses. I have explained all these things in the article above.

    I find it ironic how you modern Protestants would actually use the same tactic the Pharisees used to dismiss Peter’s credentials as an apologist for Christ.

    Before finding things ironic, you need to make sure you understand things. We’re not Protestants, and you still couldn’t understand this point…

    After all, he was not a doctor of the law; he was just an uneducated fisherman. Yet, he was the head apostle, to whom Paul, a “scholarly” Pharisee, had to report.

    Peter was an Apostle of Christ. You come here to tell us about your dreams without any scholarly study. So there is no comparison.

    So, as we all can see, Stephen is not being able to answer our articles.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

  3. Hello!

    You wrote: “ and we can’t add anything to His work of Salvation. Yes, no human can add anything to His finished work of Salvation, as He offered up Himself for us once for all as our High Priest; no one can be a High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek like Him! He FINISHED the work of Salvation.”

    I want to comment about salvation and atonement.

    (le-havdil)
    How to live in order to enable the Creator in His loving kindness to provide His kipur –atonement- is outlined in Tan’’kh ; and was also taught by Ribi Yehoshua. The first century Ribi Yehoshua from Nazareth (the Mashiakh; the Messiah) taught in accordance with Tan’’kh the only way to get connection with the Creator, This way is found both in Torah and in Ribi Yehoshuas teachings found in our website – http://www.netzarim.co.il

    Anders Branderud

  4. Dear Anders,

    The only place you can find the real teachings of the real Mashiakh is the Bible, and not your website. If your website doesn’t present the biblical teaching, then it’s not a trustworthy source of knowledge.

    We have seen in details what the word “Messiah” means and who is the Messiah in our article: What does the word “Messiah” mean? Who is the Messiah? Please, read it carefully.

    In that article you will see how, contrary to what you say, the Creator doesn’t need fallen humans like us to “enable” Him to provide His Atonement. The Messiah finished the work of Salvation while we were still sinners and unable. The works of the Law cannot justify you before God, as you are a sinner who cannot do the Will of God perfectly. To know more about this, you can read the following article: How to be justified before God?

    So you need to know who Jesus (Y’shua) really is: He is not a simple rabbi; He is the Messiah (Ha-Mashiakh), i.e. God incarnate who came to save us from our sins, the Son of God, the King of Heaven incarnated to be the King on the throne of David forever, the High Priest according to the order of Melchizedek and not according to the order of Aaron.

    Grace be with you!
    Disciple of Jesus Christ

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