We continue our comments on the manuscript sent to us by a Mormon called Stephen.(*) Click here to see the other articles in this series. You can also go to the Mormonism page to find all the articles that are in this refutation of Stephen’s document.
He provided us a spirit body to move about and progress in knowledge and intelligence in the realms of premortality.
In “premortality”, we did not exist. Show us any biblical reference for this dream of yours.
Yet again, He provided us a physical body to move about and progress to even higher levels in this realm.
What higher levels? What are you talking about? Show us where you are reading all this in the Bible…
all, there were things we could not learn without a physical body.
And there are things we can’t learn unless we become ants… So does this mean that God is keeping from us some important things, like being ants?…
Is this all what you think is the value of our bodies? Just means to learn some things?…
A simple illustration: A child has never tasted an orange—or anything for that matter—having been fed intravenously from birth. How do you articulate the taste of the orange? How do you compare it to something else—since he has never tasted anything?
Yeah, our bodies are just made so that we may taste some things, right? Let me just give you an illustration: if I have never been an ant, then I can’t know what an ant feels when you follow it to kill it… So God should also make me an ant…
I am sure readers can see the silliness of such arguments, so we pass…
Hot and Cold. Pain and Pleasure. Good and Evil. Bitter and Sweet. Sickness and Health. Love and Hate. Joy and Sorrow. Some of these contrasts can be understood to some degree without a body, but most cannot. A fullness of joy cannot be experienced without an opposing knowledge of sadness and loss our decaying bodies bring.
And I can’t know how an ant feels unless I become an ant…
By the way, we have answered the silliness of fullness of joy in the body in the following article: Fullness of joy in the body?…
So, why did God give us life?
Let me guess: So that we may know how an orange tastes?…
Did He create this world, then us out of nothing at conception in the womb just to glorify Himself?
Yeah, the Glory of God is such a light and unimportant thing for Mormons, so how could God have created all things to His Glory? That’s unacceptable for Mormons…
We continue reading:
Were we a whim to satisfy His personal need to have inferior creatures sit around and adore Him in eternity—to tell Him how Great and Wonderful He is?
Is that how you understand God’s Glory?? Is this how Mormons see a filial relationship with God?… Well, I am not surprised, because without the new birth man cannot understand these things, “for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God“ (Romans 3:23). How can people who come short of the Glory of God understand what this Glory is? They can’t even imagine what it is. While we who are justified by faith, we have this hope of glory: “Therefore having been justified on the principle of faith, we have peace towards God through our Lord Jesus Christ; by whom we have also access by faith into this favour in which we stand, and we boast in hope of the glory of God.” (Romans 5:1-2)
Are we His only such creation? Had He done nothing similar prior to this world and or will He do nothing similar after the end of this world?
Before this world nothing existed. God created this world from NOTHING. We have seen the details about this.
Picture a beginning of past eternity. Try as you may, you cannot do it.
Yes, past eternity does not have a beginning, because it is not a time. Only God is past eternal, because He is the Creator and not a creature.
It extends forever. With that in mind, do you believe this earth and its occupants is the sum of the humanity God has created in all that eternity prior to this earth?
Before creation NOTHING existed; there was no time passing. God did not create this world in a time called “eternity”. Time began when God created. Time was not passing before that. Eternity is not time.
And why would He even bother to create such a world and creatures now, now being the last six thousand Biblical years, but a moment in time, if He had never done it before this earth?
What do you mean by “now”? Before God created the universe there was no time passing; it was eternity. Read this: In the beginning God created…
“[W]orlds without number have I created; . . as one earth shall pass away, . . even so shall another come; and there is no end to my words. For behold, this is my work and my glory—to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.” (Moses 1:33-39)
Indeed, this human writing contradicts God’s Word. You should not believe it; you should believe the Bible instead.
This book in the Pearl of Great Price tells us God did not need us—for anything. (Paul confirms this doctrine in Acts 17:24,25.)
And who said that God needed us?? He is Sovereign, as Mormons refuse to accept…
God gave us—the eternal souls in the Universe—opportunity in premortality to become as He is out of pure love, not for His personal need.
In “premortality” we did not exist, and God does not have a body. We have seen these things in details.
He has done it before our world and He will do it again.
There is not our world or another’s world. We are not just meaningless beings who just want to experience some feelings and joys… There is only one world and it is the one God created from nothing. Time will end and will stop when He comes back to judge the living and the dead, so don’t imagine other worlds.
So, why did the Father give us this life?
To taste the orange?…
Again, do you believe if you accept Him, you will end up sitting around for all eternity, worshipping Him in some garden Paradise?
No, I believe I will be in a filial relationship with Him for all eternity in Christ Jesus. And no, it is not by accepting any god of your imagination, but by receiving JESUS CHRIST the ONLY Lord.
Or, are we destined for greater purpose?
What greater purpose than the Glory of God? Tell us for once… Tasting oranges? Having sex? Drinking wine? Going to the beach and getting naked? Marrying many women and committing “legalized” fornication like Joseph Smith did and like Mormons are allowed to do?… Tell us: what greater purpose than the Glory of God?? Tell us first what you understand by “Glory of God”… Do you have any idea about what that is?…
“yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6)
“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities–all things have been created through Him and for Him.” (Colossians 1:16)
We have been created and we exist for God the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We have been created for the Glory of God!
Grace be with you!
Disciple of Jesus Christ